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After thinking about it for a while, could it be a way that my tulpa is talking to me, saying it would prefer the wolf form? It's all symbolism and difficult to figure out. I just remember feeling shocked that a random thought tore up the shadow man

while it can be difficult to understand what your tulpa is trying to tell you before they're vocal, it is certainly possible that they're expressing preference for the wolf form

3:56 AM

you'll be able to ask him yourself once he's able to speak, nothing wrong with letting him choose his own form (in fact that's probably for the best that you do)

3:57 AM

it's pretty unlikely that you've somehow killed your tulpa

Oh, another point to make, I've been "talking" to my tulpa for an extra week than forcing (i.e. just talking to them and getting no response.) I read somewhere that is almost a more important first step than visualization.

3:57 AM

Okay, that's what I've been wanting to do, but I need a starting form in order to even anchor my tulpa in my mind, right?

talking to your tulpa is definitely more important than visualization, yes

3:58 AM

you don't need a starting form, most tulpas have a form but some don't

Hmm. Okay. Well, I really appreciate your input! Especially so promptly! I'm looking forward to having my tulpa and being a part of these message boards/group chats!

Maybe give the wolf form a go and see if you get any response. Srn is right. You have plenty of time to change around later when your tulpa becomes vocal.

Everytime i force, i feel dizzy after or feel a pressure. Does that mean im doing it right

It doesn't particularly mean anything aside from indicating mental strain of some kind.

How did you guys go about active forcing? I don't know if that is a good thing to do but I sit and meditate to get into my wonderland easier. Then I just sit and talk with my tulpa for about twenty minutes. I also sit and type out personality traits and how they affect my tulpa, while talking outloud to her for twenty two minutes.

You should tell them their traits. Flesh out their form, view them from different angles, touch them and see how they feel. Really get into the senses.

So visualization and imposition?

12:19 AM

I tell her the traits and explain how she may react to certain things and how she will overall live with this traits

Mhm, that, and performing activities together. Swimming, exercising, arts and crafts, writing a story.

Do all that even if she can't move or talk on her own?

1:03 AM

Cause I don't really want to puppet or parrot unless I need to

there's no need to puppet or parrot, interact with your tulpa to a degree that you reasonably can at the moment

1:09 AM

moving and talking on her own will happen when she's ready

Well I have a lot of time each day

1:30 AM

I passive force for 8 to 12 hours a day

1:31 AM

Then passive force for about 42 minutes a day

I wouldn't be hung-up on time if I were you

5:14 AM

just do your thing

5:14 AM

and you'll be good eventually

Hey there, I also thought about creating one or maybe more tulpae; Is there any system online who would be willing to talk to me about... well tulpa stuff?

Em and i are around

Hello.

7:18 PM

I am here as well.

same

hey, you got a whole support system here

Indeed.

A system of systems it seems

Winter and Srn have been around much longer than me

Hah.

whatcha need?

Indeed.

7:19 PM

Is there anything in particular that you would like to start with?

'Just' some general advice and help with some moral questions of mine

moral?

Hah. Not to worry.

alright, what are your moral questions?

Alright, that one first. I thought about the host - tulpa relationship, how it is formed and how it relates to human relationships (if one can even compare these two). For me, a Tulpa seems to be, in its first few days, weeks, months of existence a quite fragile thing. Completely at the hosts mercy, as if he was a god. The host, or I in this example can choose to alter or kill my creation in any way I please, which leaves the Tulpa in a rather weak position. I have read some progress reports, guides and all that stuff and a normal tulpa(e) - host relationship seems quite loving and trusting. How can such a relationship exist if the power is so uneavenly spread?

yes and no

Also, I'm no native English speaker, meaning I have some troubles formulating existential questions like this, so please excuse my slow type speed

no worries (edited)

is it not that same way with a parent-child relationship?

yes and no. tulpas can develop much faster than children, and can be much more intuitive

Take your time to read and respond, Max - it's alright.

"is it not that same way with a parent-child relationship?" Not quite, since the child can a) see and talk to other beeings and b) a child could choose to run away.

And if the tulpa is so inclined, there are some fairly nasty things they can learn to do

well, there is definitely some requirement of trust

So - regarding those morals, this is why here, and in most decent tulpa communities, there are very, very strong recommendations to care for and respect your tulpa if you choose to make them.

yes the host has some power over the tulpa, but they generally make it quite clear that they care very much about the tulpa and wouldn't want to hurt them in any way

trust, love, and belief. these three things are essential

It is an unequal relationship - certainly comparable to a parent/child relationship, albeit with those additional restrictions you mentioned, and the capability of the tulpa to develop faster than a human child (as the base framework of the brain already exists).

i'd argue that

7:30 PM

it's only as unequal as the tulpa lets it be

This is also why creating a tulpa and forcing them to act in a certain manner, making up responses and 'puppeting' them (as it is called), and otherwise forcibly restricting their actions without serious reason to do so (such as needing to keep them hidden from the eye of others that would likely pose a threat to personal safety/stability... these actions are strongly discouraged.

7:31 PM

@Talin Eventually, yes. Initially, no.

[In time your tulpa shall find their strength and ultimately hold as much power, if not more, than the original.]

fair enough

7:33 PM

aye

@Deleted User The relationship can be loving and trusting just as parent/child relationships can be loving and trusting. Or it might not be. Most are, because that type of positive treatment is so strongly encouraged and explained - in addition, most hosts and tulpas typically do feel some attachment to each other simply due to the relative intimacy of their social relationship. Being able to essentially read the thoughts of the other at will is an intimate situation that allows for quite strong attachment to develop.

[I suppose that explains my desire to be helpful rather than purely snarky.]

as i said. love, trust, and believe, and it'd be really hard to go wrong

Alright, let's keep some of the ethics for later, as most of my questions are just about minor stuff. First of, I understand that a Tulpa is to be treated as a person, since 'it' essentially is one; And just as I wouldn't harm a person, I wouldn't harm a Tulpa. My greatest concern at the moment would be commitment. I'm merely 21 years old, barely know the world and the things in it. If I was to create (or rather give birth to) a Tulpa now, several things come to mind.

Am I willing to share my body with an equal entity, putting my needs, desires, wishes, etc. second?
Is it ethical to create life, but without it's own body?
Will my views ever change? How long did you guys take to consider the consequences? What brought about your final decision? And do you Tulpae regret not having your own body?

year and a half

I can't answer the first or second questions for myself, but I can certainly answer the third - no. On occasion I've had the thought that I would like it, but I don't particularly feel regret, remorse, or dislike for the fact that I do not have a separate physical body.

7:44 PM

After all, it would require sacrificing the emotional connection I have with Skye - and that is not worth the change to me.

@Talin I guess the 'I have no malicious intent, let's do this' - Approach works, but that's just not the person I am

what brought about the decision was i still thought it was a good idea at the time. and no, she doesn't. She's interested in switching, but she's mostly gone hogwild with the wonderland

Otherwise - take as much time as you need to decide, Max.

7:45 PM

I would in fact encourage taking the time to decide and determining whether or not it is something you truly want to do and feel like you can handle.

not sure what you mean. if you're not willing to love your tupper, you're going to have problems

most tulpas don't generally mind the fact that they lack a body (neither of mine ever has btw), but fwiw once you've learned stuff like possession and switching, if your tulpas are interested in that stuff, you could probably work something out with them

In the end, nobody can really tell you if you are 'ready'. However, we can at least give some advice on what to consider in the course of deciding.

7:47 PM

I would like to address this as well: Am I willing to share my body with an equal entity, putting my needs, desires, wishes, etc. second?

7:47 PM

Making a tulpa does not require you to put your own needs/desires/wishes/etc secondary to the tulpa's. What it means is requiring you to establish compromise.

^ this

If you make a tulpa - once they are capable of having a discussion of that kind, discuss what you want to do, in relation to what they want to do. Come to a compromise you can both be satisfied (or at least minimally dissatisfied) with.

though i do want to reiterate that you should not make a tulpa if you are not willing to love them

I would actually go further - if you are not willing to learn to switch, I do not recommend making a tulpa.

fair enough

...not that it means you will necessarily need to switch either, but being willing to learn in case they wish to is quite important.

7:49 PM

To me, at least.

aye

I've had tulpas for nearly 3 years and still can't switch

but love is step one, period dot

Hah. It might take time, but you are at least willing to learn, @Srn347. That is the difference, I would say.

aye

@Talin Seems like the language barrier is working against me again^^ It's not that I don't plan to love my creations. What I meant was that I like to think things trough. But I guess that's not how relationships work (edited)

Thinking things through is very good here.

aye. it's integral

7:51 PM

uh, required?

7:51 PM

don't know how good your english is

7:51 PM

it's needed in any case

Think of it in this way, if it helps - you have your entire life to decide to make a tulpa, but once you decide to make them, it is not reasonable or even easily possible to back out.